Are all the classes unplayable?

Blackwidow

I have seen posts on all four classes and how players can no longer play any of them because of recent patches.

Seriously? Come on, Guys.:)

Look, I understand you might be upset about a serious change.

I think you kids call it a "nurph" or something.

However, I think you might make a stronger case for yourselves if you did not start with hyperbole about the class is now unplayable.

Try, "ZOS, you changed this power and I think it was a mistake or in my opinion you went too far" then an in game explanation or example of the actual problem.

Don't get me wrong. Please fight the good fight to get what you think you need out of the game. Lord knows I do. So, please don't think I'm here to shut anyone up or to tell you to stop posting.

I'm just trying to get the evil ones from under the bridges to stop having actual points about the QQs and the whining.

The less fire power we give them, the easier it will be to get the actual point across to others.

Thanks.

P.S. Sorry if this came across as preachy.

Mablung

You essentially are asking people to be unemotional. When individuals have strong feelings about something, the lore, the class, an item, dog, whatever emotions are going to be rampantly on display. Especially when the news is fresh about upcoming change coupled with the history of how change has been applied in this game. Well, that is a recipe for what is occurring here on the forums.

Inevitably what happens is people leave. They get sick of the name calling, trolling and feeling of being unheard. People need to be allowed to vent and express themselves, even angrily, about those changes. They need to be responded to in a professional manner by the game makers and not 1337tR011 on the forums.

Blackwidow

Mablung wrote: »

You essentially are asking people to be unemotional. When individuals have strong feelings about something, the lore, the class, an item, dog, whatever emotions are going to be rampantly on display. Especially when the news is fresh about upcoming change coupled with the history of how change has been applied in this game. Well, that is a recipe for what is occurring here on the forums.

Inevitably what happens is people leave. They get sick of the name calling, trolling and feeling of being unheard. People need to be allowed to vent and express themselves, even angrily, about those changes. They need to be responded to in a professional manner by the game makers and not 1337tR011 on the forums.

No, I'm really not. Passion for an issue does not mean you need to exacerbate the issue with outrageous statements.

Use that feeling in a constructive manner. That way you can get the results you are looking for and you are less likely to get attacked by other players.

Thulsola

Mablung wrote: »

You essentially are asking people to be unemotional. When individuals have strong feelings about something, the lore, the class, an item, dog, whatever emotions are going to be rampantly on display. Especially when the news is fresh about upcoming change coupled with the history of how change has been applied in this game. Well, that is a recipe for what is occurring here on the forums.

Inevitably what happens is people leave. They get sick of the name calling, trolling and feeling of being unheard. People need to be allowed to vent and express themselves, even angrily, about those changes. They need to be responded to in a professional manner by the game makers and not 1337tR011 on the forums.

Really? We need to endure people who can't control their emotions enough not to be *** on the forums? It is a game, for crying out loud. How do these little rage monsters deal with actual, real issues in their lives?

People need to figure out what they want when they post here - a place to vent their spleen all over the developers and their fellow players, or a productive discussion on how best to address the issues they have with the game - the two intentions are mutually exclusive.

And FTR - the "professional" way to deal with whiny, needy and rude customers is to ignore them. No one is required to put up with abusive language and behavior in the work place - and the people who work for ZOS who have to read this stuff are in their work place. Treat them with respect, or expect to be ignored - and called out on being a *** by your fellow gamers.

joanjett

Yes all the classes are unplayable.....we spend are time here cause we like to chat about the game but we don't play it cause....are the classes are unplayable ok. Next question please......

Mablung

Blackwidow wrote: »

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Mablung wrote: »

You essentially are asking people to be unemotional. When individuals have strong feelings about something, the lore, the class, an item, dog, whatever emotions are going to be rampantly on display. Especially when the news is fresh about upcoming change coupled with the history of how change has been applied in this game. Well, that is a recipe for what is occurring here on the forums.

Inevitably what happens is people leave. They get sick of the name calling, trolling and feeling of being unheard. People need to be allowed to vent and express themselves, even angrily, about those changes. They need to be responded to in a professional manner by the game makers and not 1337tR011 on the forums.

No, I'm really not. Passion for an issue does not mean you need to exacerbate the issue with outrageous statements.

Use that feeling in a constructive manner. That way you can get the results you are looking for and you are less likely to get attacked by other players.

As an adult, I completely agree with you. In a real life situation this is to be expected. This however is the internet where anonymity its like having Supermans' S on your chest.

Any company that relies upon a steady stream of consumer related revenue needs to have excellent customer service. This absolutely includes being able to sift through the noise and see what the underlying issue(s) are. Yes that even means giving an ear to those most emotional, rude posts and figuring out exactly what can be done to make our experience, the experience we pay for, better so that we keep giving our money.

kaosodin

I agree with the op. Need more concise statements, and more team work.

Less emotional flailing with words.

Mablung

Thulsola wrote: »

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Mablung wrote: »

You essentially are asking people to be unemotional. When individuals have strong feelings about something, the lore, the class, an item, dog, whatever emotions are going to be rampantly on display. Especially when the news is fresh about upcoming change coupled with the history of how change has been applied in this game. Well, that is a recipe for what is occurring here on the forums.

Inevitably what happens is people leave. They get sick of the name calling, trolling and feeling of being unheard. People need to be allowed to vent and express themselves, even angrily, about those changes. They need to be responded to in a professional manner by the game makers and not 1337tR011 on the forums.

Really? We need to endure people who can't control their emotions enough not to be *** on the forums? It is a game, for crying out loud. How do these little rage monsters deal with actual, real issues in their lives?

People need to figure out what they want when they post here - a place to vent their spleen all over the developers and their fellow players, or a productive discussion on how best to address the issues they have with the game - the two intentions are mutually exclusive.

And FTR - the "professional" way to deal with whiny, needy and rude customers is to ignore them. No one is required to put up with abusive language and behavior in the work place - and the people who work for ZOS who have to read this stuff are in their work place. Treat them with respect, or expect to be ignored - and called out on being a *** by your fellow gamers.

Wrong. While you may think you do not have to listen to this in the work place, if you work in any customer service field or area where customer interactions are numerous, then you will always encounter individuals like this. If you ignore them or choose to not deal with them in any form, you cut your own throat financially.

They turn around and tell someone what a horrible company you have and then it becomes a domino effect. It is how you as an employee of a company dealing with the tough customer defines how successful you will be.

Blackwidow

joanjett wrote: »

Yes all the classes are unplayable.....we spend are time here cause we like to chat about the game but we don't play it cause....are the classes are unplayable ok. Next question please......

I guess you did not read the post.

I think you might be one of the things that live under the bridge I was talking about.

Blackwidow

@Mablung you are right, of course it is ZOS' job to deal with any complaint, no matter how insane or raged the player might be.

But, I was not really talking about that.

I just think we posters would get along better and the point might be better understood if we showed a little restraint when posting a problem about the game.

Natjur

All classes are playable from L1 to L50 even with crap builds
All classes are playable from V1 to V10 but two have a lot harder time (NB and Templars) and NB and Templar need to use good builds to survive.
All classes are playable from V11-V12 but in Craglorn, its all group based quests etc and NB and Templars NEED a group to do the stuff, Sorc and DK can solo it.

Trial runs are about speed, so Templars and NB are not wanted as there dps is so much less then DK or Sorc

So, yes all classes are playble.... just some at end game are not wanted.

If a fight lasts under 1 min, most classes are about the same, but as soon as the fights start lasting 3-8 mins, its about resource management so you can keep your DPS up by making sure you never run out of mana. One class has no resource management skills.

Mablung

Blackwidow wrote: »

I just think we posters would get along better and the point might be better understood if we showed a little restraint when posting a problem about the game.

Again I agree, but there is that S sticking out on everyone's chest here on the internet that always gets in the way.

Blackwidow

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Blackwidow wrote: »

I just think we posters would get along better and the point might be better understood if we showed a little restraint when posting a problem about the game.

Again I agree, but there is that S sticking out on everyone's chest here on the internet that always gets in the way.

I agree.

So, that just makes my point more valid. The less we use hyperbole, the less likely we will get attacked by others.

Of course it will not stop all the rude people, but is there a downside to being constructive without blowing things out of proportion?

Makkir

@blackwidow
This is a gaming community containing ages 12-70, the lowest denominator will always find therapy on the forums at the expense of others, typing in all caps, or yelling at the devs when they can't faceroll anymore.

ZiRM

Admit it the forum game is why you're all here. Why? Because it's more fun than ESO?

magickats242cub18_ESO

I think the main problem is that Zen did not anticipate so many people reaching the max level so quick, and the little bugs that were hidden suddenly sprung up and overwhelmed them. I for one am taking my time, my highest level character is only 40, and so am in no rush to get to the end game. Hopefully by the time I get there, most of the bugs will be ironed out and game play will be more enjoyable.

Ragefist

There are no classes

There is Destruction staff and Light armor skill lines

NerfEverything

Natjur wrote: »

All classes are playable from L1 to L50 even with crap builds
All classes are playable from V1 to V10 but two have a lot harder time (NB and Templars) and NB and Templar need to use good builds to survive.
All classes are playable from V11-V12 but in Craglorn, its all group based quests etc and NB and Templars NEED a group to do the stuff, Sorc and DK can solo it.

Trial runs are about speed, so Templars and NB are not wanted as there dps is so much less then DK or Sorc

So, yes all classes are playble.... just some at end game are not wanted.

If a fight lasts under 1 min, most classes are about the same, but as soon as the fights start lasting 3-8 mins, its about resource management so you can keep your DPS up by making sure you never run out of mana. One class has no resource management skills.

This about sums it up. Templars and NBs are "playable" in the same way that sawdust is "edible". You can do it, but no one in their right mind would want to.

Belitseri

I truly don't find forums to represent people in their best light. I've seen the rudest people post on here that are courteous and helpful in the game, and visa versa. People use forums as a catalyst for their displeasure, as a sounding board or simply something to pass the time exchanging thoughts and ideas. None of it is right or wrong. Ultimately, forums like games are what you make of it for yourself. Squeaky wheels get greased, trolls get fed and text is text. Make of it what you will.

Ragekniv

Sounds like more meaningless OP diatribe.

Yes, by all means step down from the pulpit and play a broken NB or Templar in VR content and see how relevant your commentary is when faced with OP Sorcs and DKs over representation in end game content.

On the positive side, I think you got every smiley face available in your post, how precious!

vyndral13preub18_ESO

It always makes me smile. Ill get called a fanboi and then told Nightblades are broken. No they might be a little harder but they certainly aren't broken.

AlexDougherty

Blackwidow wrote: »

I have seen posts on all four classes and how players can no longer play any of them because of recent patches.

Classes are still playable, well I have problems with the Nightblade, but the others are doable, some are easier than others. The nerfs have hurt the classes, but not fatally.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

NerfEverything wrote: »

This about sums it up. Templars and NBs are "playable" in the same way that sawdust is "edible". You can do it, but no one in their right mind would want to.

I respec my Templar few days ago and saw the light after two failed previous attempts at VR content.

Complete radical build that works absolutely superb with the VR4+ content. And isn't using a Staff, but 2H and heavy armour.
+ (and believe me I struggled with up to VR4 with both shield & dw while using 2L/5H to 5L/2H or full light).

What you need is Solar Barrage spam to give you the 60+ power bonus, Flawless Dawnbreaker, Magicka+Stam food, Tower Mundus to hit the 2000 Sta mark, Balanced Warrior 2. All the passives from Dawn Wrath to give you bonuses on the Ultimate & Mana consumption. 2 LA (with all passives). 5 HA (with all passives) and damage to STA conversion.

It is not Destro staff damage, but as good as any melee Templar build can be done at the moment. It kicks 3-4 VR4-5 trash mobs with ease, barely need 1 healing.
(Ext Ritual is even better).

2nd bar has utilities. Unstable Core, Entropy, Solar Prison, Backlash, Blazing Shield etc.

And if you decide (not me), to become a Vampire even more powerful build. Since you can rejuvenate yourself almost all the time.

Or else you get a Destro staff, and join the masses.

Elgarr

One mans puddle, is another mans flood!

zhevon

From my observation all classes (even NBs, which is my class) are somewhat playable but the problem is between broken skills, skills getting nerfed after people get used to them, and cost of respecs it becomes increasingly frustrating to figure out how to play their class. Until things stablize respecs should be MUCH cheaper to allow experimentation; right now its extremely easy to get a barely functional morph or choose a skill based on a misleading tool tip or you are told something is awesome only to have it change next week.

Now that doesn't take away the fact NBs need to have strong functional niche which they just don't have.

Bryong9ub17_ESO

Are all classes unplayable? I'm not sure I know the answer to this, but I will say if this were true it would be due to the cry baby's alwaying QQing and screaming NERF. So it is only your own fault. Always complaining...

Blackwidow

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

Are all classes unplayable? I'm not sure I know the answer to this, but I will say if this were true it would be due to the cry baby's alwaying QQing and screaming NERF. So it is only your own fault. Always complaining...

This is a perfect example of a troll post.

Did not bother to read a single word. Not even the OP.

Just needed to get in an insult and be on your merry way.

If you took the time to get to know what your "enemy" is actually saying, you just might end up agreeing with him.

Scarey thought.

Blackwidow

Ragekniv wrote: »

Sounds like more meaningless OP diatribe.

Yes, by all means step down from the pulpit and play a broken NB or Templar in VR content and see how relevant your commentary is when faced with OP Sorcs and DKs over representation in end game content.

I never said to stop posting. Please atleast read the OP before attacking me.

Thanks.

"However, I think you might make a stronger case for yourselves if you did not start with hyperbole about the class is now unplayable.

Try, "ZOS, you changed this power and I think it was a mistake or in my opinion you went too far" then an in game explanation or example of the actual problem.

Don't get me wrong. Please fight the good fight to get what you think you need out of the game. Lord knows I do. So, please don't think I'm here to shut anyone up or to tell you to stop posting."

BTW, i do play a Templar as my main in VR content, not that this has anything to do with my post.

nagarjunna

If, like me, you are tired/bored/sick of the flamers/trolls do what I do...

Politely call them on it! If enough people do that I suspect people would at least think before posting (I'm always optimistic).

Certainly in game people are a lot politer than here.

Noctisse

Either way, some of the classes may not be really playable in the way one initially intended to play them, but calling them unplayable is a little too far fetched...

Moiskormoimi

All classes are playable. Not all classes are viable. 'Play as you want' really is 'play what the *** we tell you'.